Last Sunday (July 25), Ryan and I visited New Life Worship center that was a 5-minute walk away from our hotel. It was probably one of the biggest, nicest, and most high-tech buildings we have ever been to, in terms of a church building.
The message was probably THE best message we have ever heard from a church that we randomly visited. They had a message of victory, they believed in healing the sick and the congregation was probably the healthiest we have ever seen a congregation (even better than what we saw at Bethel). They preached the supernatural, hit spot on a lot of awesome principles, and they weren’t flaky.
When we went inside, the service had just started and we were seated by an usher. We ended up sitting in front of 2 (husband and wife) cell group leaders.
After the message, we spoke with the cell group leaders and ended up growing both of their legs out. They brought us to the pastor and introduced us to him. We thanked him and shared a little about what we were doing in San Jose.
He thought it was awesome and told us that we should meet the young adult pastor and said he would talk more with us later in the guestroom on the 2nd floor. We met the young adult pastor, shared a little bit and he told us the same thing.
When we went upstairs to the guest area, and looked around. There were ~80 people eating and hanging out. Everything started when Ryan overheard a girl mention something about healing. So he went to her and asked, “Hey did you mention something about healing?” She said she didn’t, but that we should talk to her dad who was at the table.
Her dad overheard and introduced himself. He asked us what we were looking for and Ryan asked him if he had any pain in his body. He said that his back was hurting, so Ryan had him sit down and grew his leg out. He stood up, checked his back, threw his arms up and started praising God.
We started to explain what happened, and his son joined us. From that point on, Ryan just kept growing legs out (probably ~15) because people kept crowding around to figure out what all the commotion was, and he spent a lot of time teaching and equipping them.
After Ryan grew out ~5 legs, a lady who was limping caught my eye. I went over to her and asked her if she was ok. She said that she had broken her spine and femur years ago. She was paralyzed from the waist down but God had healed her. Doctors then told her that she would be paralyzed from the hips down, but she still recovered. At that point, when I saw her, she had a limp and one leg would often hit the other when she walked.
I laid hands on her and commanded all her nerves to be healed and restored and then told her to walk around to test it out. She started walking and she was in awe. Her feet stopped clicking together but she still had a little bit of a limp.
I sat her down and grew out her right leg. She freaked out because when her femur was broken, it healed incorrectly and she had to use a lift in her shoe. She took out the lift and walked normally. She was in awe.
She ended up introducing me to about 5 other people who needed healing. Two of them were her sons, one had autism, and the other had some mental oppression. There wasn’t any apparent change with the son with autism, but the other son was set free. He ended up getting another lady healed of back pain when I told him he had the same Jesus and Holy Spirit.
Everyone I was introduced to, had their leg grow out. One lady had glaucoma in both eyes, but we didn’t see any apparent change.
Another lady that came to me said that she had been dealing with headaches since she was 6 years old (she looked 50+). I commanded the pain to go a few times and she said that her headache was subsiding. But all of a sudden, she said that all the pain was back, and that it was worse than before. I was a little annoyed, but I kept at it. For another 2 minutes, I pounded on it with no result. And again, all of a sudden, she said she felt it lift; every pain was gone and she was ecstatic.
There were a few more people that I ministered to, but when I joined up with Ryan again. There were ~10 people around him listening to him teach.
Later, Ryan told me that there was a lady who had astigmatism and her eyesight got 50% better. She could read her bible clearly from a few feet away, whereas before, she would have to squint and lean in close.
By the time we left, we had made connections with about 5 people who were planning to turn the city upside down…
In my first post about my journey about walking in the supernatural, I talked a little about the mindsets that I held, but I don’t think I did a sufficient job. So here I go:
Mindset #1: Ignorance
What I believed:
Up until my first encounter with the supernatural power of God, it didn’t even cross my mind that people could be healed of sickness or delivered from demons. That kind of stuff only happened in foreign countries like Africa.
What it looked like:
I was a “Sunday Christian.” I knew I wanted more of God, but I didn’t know what looked like. If someone mentioned something about the supernatural, I probably would have said, “Sure, if God wills it.”
Didn’t help anybody with this mindset. I had wise words, but no power. (1 Cor 2:4)
How it changed:
I saw people get healed at a Jesus Culture conference. I heard people testify that they felt their cancer sores dissolving; it was too undeniable.
Mindset #2: Mental Understanding of His word
What I believed:
I finally had a biblical understanding that healing existed and that it was for today. I would defend that belief to my death, but I couldn’t prove it in experience. I knew God had the ability to heal people, but I didn’t really believe that God could use me.
I had the mental understanding of what the Word said, but I still had more faith in the physical situation than the ability that God put in me to change it (dominion, authority).
When I would pray for people, I believed that if I said the right “magic words” and if there was some kind of perfect cosmic alignment, the power of God would be finally released.
What it looked like:
I wished with every fiber of my being that I could get people healed. I often failed to even approach people.
Whenever I prayed for people for healing during this time, I was always thinking in my mind, “I hope this works, I hope this works, God you better show up, God you better show up, please be healed.”
My prayers would sound something like “God please come and heal, I know you can do it.” I spent more time persuading and reminding myself that God had power and trying to convince God that I had faith in His word more than I did speaking to the problem (Mark 11:23).
Whenever someone didn’t get healed, I had to wrestle through it before I prayed for the next person because I’d be thinking, “Well, they didn’t get healed last time, so I’m not sure they’re going to get healed this time.” I often let thoughts like that seep into my thinking and it would hinder me from stepping out to talk to people.
In other words, I created a theology based out of my experience. I allowed my past experience to influence my future.
There was a lot of begging and a lot of works. “Revival” prayer meetings were often about “God, give us an open heaven,” or “Let your glory fall” so that we could see miracles without actually expressing faith through works (James 2:22).
We often prayed for more boldness, had a lot of great ideas for bringing revival, but there was very little action-producing faith.
Still many wise words, very little power. When I started listening to Bethel’s podcasts, I had even more wise words, but still little power.
Although I prayed for and saw 2-3 people healed of pains during this time, I never expected them to happen and most of all, I was surprised to find out that they were healed.
How it changed:
While I was at Bethel, I began to realize that it wasn’t a matter of words, but rather faith in God.
It isn’t enough just to say that “I have faith in God.” The proof of whether you believe or not is whether it produces action or not.
Although Bethel’s Healing Room training did not help me have faith in what God already gave me and Who was IN me, the training helped me realize that I had a faithful Father.
Mindset #3: Faith in God
What I believed:
God is good. All the time… and He’s also in a good mood. I had full assurance that God would come if I asked.
It was no longer about a “perfect cosmic alignment,” it’s more about God’s abundance goodness and that He is “good-er” than we can imagine. He is more willing to the sick than I am because He’s more compassionate than I am.
Bethel is very big on asking God to “come.” The premise of Bethel’s healing rooms ministry is about God “coming,” and having fun and seeing God do amazing things when “He comes.”
Again, like I wrote in the previous post, their core value was, “When we pray, God comes, and we He comes, does good things because He’s a good God and He’s in a good mood.”
This core value instilled in me a confidence that if I ask God to “come,” He will undoubtedly come.
All I had to do (to heal the sick), was to ask God to come and He would do His stuff.
What my life looked like:
I saw more people get healed with this mindset (granted, I was only in this mindset for a few months)… I had the confidence to say “God will heal you right now,” because I had complete faith that God would “come” and do His stuff.
At this point I no longer felt a need to “pray and fast” or cry out to God for an open heaven, because I knew I already had one.
I no longer had to beg God because my perspective of Him changed. He was no longer a corrupt father, trying withhold blessing from his children, but a loving, faithful Father who sent his Son while we were still sinners.
I knew theologically that “God is good” but like most other churched people, that was just a vain repetition. I didn’t act like I really believed that He was good. The “God is good, all the time” phrase came to life again.
How it changed:
I started to listening to Curry Blake‘s stuff and began to realize that God gave us responsibility. God is good, but He is so good that He empowered us to represent Him. I began to realize the finished work of the cross and what it paid for and how to live as a new creation in the New Covenant.
I no longer had to ask God to “come,” because He set up residence in me when I became a believer. The Holy Spirit abides, and doesn’t leave…
You don’t tell someone who’s next to you to “come.” It’s like paging a doctor who’s in the room.
I realized asking God to “come” and heal was like a U.S. soldier calling the Commander-in-Chief (Obama), and asking him to “come” and shoot the enemy (complete nonsense…).
I knew that God, by Himself, had the ability to heal, but He would much rather do it with me.
Mindset #4: Authority - Faith of God
What I believed:
I have all authority in Christ. The devil has none. The law of authority is this:
The one who is under authority must submit to the one who has authority. Period.
The one under authority is the kingdom of darkness. The ones who have ALL authority are those in the Kingdom of Light. (Matt 10:1, Luke 9:1, Luke 10:19, Matt 28:18, Eph 1:21-23, Col 2:15)
I win. I finally realized that I had power and authority to crush every work of darkness wherever I went.
Healing the sick was not a matter of asking God, but a matter of speaking to a mountain (Mark 11:23) and having believed that what I say will come to pass (2 Cor 4:13).
What my life looked like:
I had this mindset when I first started in Bethel’s healing rooms. I saw most of the people I prayed for get healed. Sometime it was instant, sometimes it took 30 minutes. I saw a few people get out of the walker/wheelchair, deafness healed, hundreds of legs grow out, and every kind of pain go.
How it changed:
There was a point where healing the sick became a routine. I would go heal someone because I knew that I had authority to do it, and I knew that the devil would have to listen to me.
It was a mixture of catching myself in this mindset, and going to the JGLM LifeTeam Conference in Colorado with Curry Blake/Joe Funaro.
Mindset #5: Ministering Life, walking in Compassion
Beyond the authority aspect, I realized that I was also ministering Divine life (1 John 5:12).
Beyond realizing that I had all authority, I realized that the motivation must be about having compassion on people (Matt 9:36).
You can heal the sick without having compassion on the person. If you do it enough, you will realize that you’re missing something. It is easy to get caught up in the fact that God is working with you to do the impossible, and it’s good to have fun and enjoy it. But the emphasis shouldn’t be on what happened, but who it happened to.
That is why the best testimonies aren’t ones like, “We saw someone’s leg grow out,” but the ones like, “A lady’s leg grew out and she was healed of 30 years of constant back pain, and she could pick up her daughter for the first time without any pain.”
Hopefully this helps!
Stuff I’ve been reading and watching:
gracewalkministries (Andrew Wommack status, TONs of stuff)
After the message, I saw a guy with a cane who was about to leave, so I walked over some seats and caught up with him and asked how he was doing. When I started talking to him, I noticed he had hearing aids too, so I asked about that. He was very hesitant to even talk to me so that was a little frustrating. He didn’t want to test it out so he just turned around and left after I prayed for him.
While everyone was leaving the sanctuary, we saw a lady in a wheelchair on her way out. I stopped her as she neared us and I started asking her how she was doing. She said she had MS and I had Sue lay hands on her. She said she didn’t feel much change. She and her family were in a rush to go, so she didn’t stay to talk.
I walked around a bit and asked a couple if either of them had any pain or sickness. The guy said that they were both fine, but he wanted me to pray for his friend who was in the hospital who had lots of burns on his body. So I did, and then he thanked me.
After I went to the same guy that I had spoken with for the last 2 weeks about his knees, and again, he told me his pain had come back. I cut to the chase, knocked the pain out and charged him to use the authority had in Christ to keep himself healed.
It’s frustrating how that works. I can get people healed, but if they don’t know how to fight, they will mostly (up to this point) get their pain/sickness again (we are in a battle). We have been training people how to get healed and stay healthy, but this is the first time I’ve been able to follow up so consistently with someone.
This has definitely helped me understand how I can more effectively equip people to fight in a shorter amount of time.
Anyone have suggestions? How have you effectively equipped someone to stay healed? It’s definitely a lot easier for someone who you are in a consistent relationship with, but with acquaintances, I’ve found it a lot more difficult to see the same results… up to this point.
After I strongly charged him to my advice to take responsibility, I went around to find more people to minister to.
I met a lady named Nikki who had her own healing ministry with her husband, so it was cool to speak with her.
I started talking to an African American couple and asked if either of them needed any healing in their body. They said they needed a financial breakthrough, so I prayed for them. After, I decided to double check if they really had any pain or sickness and they just said, “Oh well, just the typical aches and pains….”
“No… that’s not normal… what do you have?”
They said they had back and knee problems. So I told the husband to move up to the front row so I could check his legs. He came in the front and his leg was a good inch short. I made sure that his wife could see it and then grew out his leg.
He was amazed and when he stood up, he said all his back pain was gone. He had “coming and going” knee pain, so I commanded that to not come back. After, I told wife to come up, and had her husband grow her leg out and then all her back pain left too.
After, I saw some older folk up in the front of the sanctuary, so I figured they might of had something. Long story short, turns out I was speaking with the head pastor’s sister and her friend. They asked, “Who’s your pastor” and all that stuff… they finally ended up letting me minister to them. One had bladder problems and the other had feet problems, but neither of them could test it out.
I pulled Joe aside and told him I was going to find more people to heal. As we walked to the other side of the sanctuary, two middle-aged ladies caught my eye. I approached them and explained to them that we were going around, “praying for people and people are getting healed.”
The lady on the left got really excited and told us that she had been dealing with neuropathy. She said had a lot of pain all over her back, so first, I checked her legs. I had Joe command the leg to grow out and it grew out about 1/2 an inch.
I had her check herself and she said most of her pain was still there. I had Joe go for it. He commanded all the pain to leave and then I asked her to check it out. She said it was much, much better. Wanting to clarify, I asked her how bad it was hurting. She said it started at an “8″ (out of 10) and after Joe commanded the pain to go, it was a “2.”
I told Joe to hit it again, and after she said the pain was completely gone. I asked her if there was anything else that was wrong in her body. She said the neuropathy was still there, and should feel a prickly sensation all over her arms. I took her hands and commanded, “all the effects of neuropathy” to go.
I asked her again how she was feeling and she threw up her arms and said that the prickling had completely stopped! People around her started paying attention to us because the lady was praising God so loudly.
I taught her about authority for a few minutes to help equip her to stay healed and set other people free… Hopefully I will be able to follow up with her next week.
After that, we went outside to the lobby because the next service was about to start. I took Joe with me outside the building, explaining that we usually just stood by the entrance to find people to heal.
As I got closer to the door, I noticed a girl sitting outside with crutches and a bandage on her foot. I went up to her and asked her what happened. She said that she had misjudged the depth of a lake as she jumped in and sprained her ankle.
Jeremy and the rest of the group joined us as she was explaining. My friend Albert had been talking with him and had never ministered healing to someone before. Jeremy walked Albert through, and after a few minutes, the girl was walking without her crutches.
She started tearing up because before, she couldn’t put ANY weight on her bad foot and after a few minutes, she was walking up steps.
I saw an Asian family coming up the steps and I asked them if any of them needed healing in the body and I quickly shared the testimony of the girl who just got healed and no longer needed crutches. The father said that he had high blood pressure, so I took his hand and commanded his blood pressure to be normal (couldn’t test).
I introduced myself to another group of 4 people and asked them the same question. Immediately, they wanted me to minister to their young son (about 5 years old) who had autism. I went for it and as I was ministering to him, the parents were in tears (I don’t know why) and very touched that I had even asked. Didn’t see any apparent change.
Later, I approached a mom with her son (~30 years old) who also had autism. I ministered to him, but didn’t see much change … I turned to the mother and asked if she was ok. She looked a little down and said, “Energy…”
I ministered to her heart for a few minutes and she got rocked. She gave me a huge hug and thanked me.
After, as a lady was leaving the church, I asked her if she had any pain or sickness in her body. She said that her upper back was hurting and she had a headache. I put my hand on her shoulder and commanded the pain to leave and her headache to go.
Immediately, all her pain was gone and she thanked me. I shared a little bit on authority and then the testimony of the girl who came with crutches and the lady who had neuropathy. After, she said she found out her friend’s leg was hurting because it was swollen earlier that morning. I said I could take care of that, so we went back into the church.
Joe and Sue came with me, and the lady introduced us to her friend. Joe hit it twice and the lady said her pain was 90% gone. Sue hit it and then all the pain was completely gone. She was amazed! She said thanked us and said goodbye (she had to go back to work).
Before we left, I saw a lady walk inside the church who had a black wrist brace. I ran inside and asked her if she was ok; she said she had carpal tunnel. She let me pray for her, but she was really iffy when I asked her how she was feeling after. She was in a hurry because the church service was starting…..
Stuff I’ve been reading and watching: New Covenant Tithing (I read all of it again)
http://searchingforgrace.com/comics/heresy/ (check their site, it’s pretty awesome)
Seattle Divine Healing Training (it’s more concise and updated compared the one that everyone typically passes around)
Last Friday, I went downtown with Ryan/Laura, Jeremy, Jayne, Ki, and Christy.
I saw a guy in a wheelchair and started speaking with him. He had a speech impediment because he was born prematurely. He also had club feet and could barely walk.
He scoffed whenever I mentioned anything about God, and he thought it was even more ridiculous when I said that I saw people get healed everyday. But after I spoke with him for ~10 minutes, he realized that I wasn’t crazy and that I actually cared about him, and that I didn’t see him as some kind of conversion project.
He let me pray for his complete restoration, but we didn’t see any visible change.
Later, Ryan and Jeremy approached a guy that had a really bad limp and looked like he had some health issues. I didn’t join them until they had ministered with him for ~5 minutes.
I don’t know what he had specifically, but he had some pain (which was gone by the time I got there) and very limited range of movement in his arm. Just as I joined Ryan/Jeremy to minister to this guy, they were moving his arm and he was regaining his range of movement.
Ryan told me to check his legs because he didn’t see any change before. When I checked his legs, it was at least 2 inches short. I went at it the same way I’ve every other leg I’ve seen grow out. I hit it for a few minutes without any visible change.
We rotated around, about 5 of us, none of us saw the leg shoot out, which is quite frustrating because we’ve seen many many legs grow out.
I definitely did wrestle in my mind as to what happened, but I just decided to go on with it because the Word is good. I don’t allow my experiences to dictate what the Word says.
I only ministered to a few more people that night because I had a lot on my mind and I was a bit tired.
As we were going back to the car, Ryan was complaining that his feet were hurting, so I just blurted out, “If you touch the red paint (on the curb) you will be healed.”
Ryan ran over and touched the red paint and then when he put his foot down again, he started laughing. All the pain was gone! A few others in the group wanted their foot pain to go too, so they touched the paint too, but their pain didn’t leave.
So then I just made something else up, “Touch this pole and you’ll be healed…..”
Healing the sick is NOT about special words you use to get people healed. It is a matter of who is speaking, not what is being said. You do not need long prayers (Jesus didn’t), you do not need even need to pray (prayer is technically between you and God, Jesus only commanded or gave instructions).
Last Saturday, we were invited to do a service at church that fed a bunch of homeless. Andrew preached, and after, we
Before I went inside, I saw an Indian guy limping down a sidewalk. I went up to him and asked how he was doing and that I was just concerned as to why he was limping. He said that his hip joint was deteriorating and that he had a few operations on it.
I asked him if he wanted it to be better and he said, “Of course.”
“Well I’m a healer and I see a lot of people get better.”
“Oh I have a doctor…”
“It’ll just be a few seconds…here” I held out my hand and he took it. I commanded his hip to be restored and then asked him how he was feeling. He said he couldn’t tell and that he would have to walk around to test it. He thanked me and walked off.
Later, after the worship/message, I was in the back texting a friend and I overheard a lady (with her husband) telling her friend about how her knees were hurting. I turned around and asked her if it was hurting “right now,” and she said it was.
I put my hand on her shoulder and told her knee to stop hurting. She checked it out and told me it was better.
A lot of times, people will tell you that it’s “better” but they’re very vague about it. Often, we just double check with them and ask, “So on a scale of 1-10, if 10 is 100% better, how are you feeling?”
I checked with her again she said it was 80% better. I had her friends next to her lay hands and pray for her. After that, she said all her pain was gone.
Then, she told me to pray for her husband who had a stroke a few years ago, so I said a quick command over his body to be restored (couldn’t really test).
There was another guy there was in a wheelchair. I spoke with him for ~10 minutes. He said that he had muscular dystrophy. After I commanded his muscles to be strengthened, I told him to stand up. He didn’t want to, so I just told him to check himself out when he got home.